: WHAT WE WANT YOU TO NOTICE IS THAT MOST OF THIS IS NOT "NEW" NEWS. ChironsArtPlygrd: Yes.. Hades is old...ancient StarTiming: ITS STUFF ALREADY AT PLAY USING PLUTO SATURN ENERGIES.. BUT IS RUNNING ON MOMENTUM nitemarye: IT IS UNFINISHED BUSINESS..THAT IS NOT ALL HE IS CHIRON Mimi Wings99: Dragged out into the open with the opp of Sat/Pluto radiocblue: where are the Venus nodes? Admiralfrd: out into the open so it can be delt with Sky Route: I was also thinking how the issue of recession is truly at hand...and not really acknowledged by the government spokesmen. StarTiming: THE VENUS NODES ARE AT 17 GEMINI.. NORTH NODE OHBYSTARS: Sounds alot like those "caught on tape" videos of people doing naughty things at their offices. Sky Route: Re Venus Node involvement. StarTiming: AND 17 SAGITTARIUS.. SOUTH NODE Mimi Wings99: Holy catfish......right on Pluto.... StarTiming: THE FINAL OPPOSITION WILL BE RIGHT ON THEM. ChironsArtPlygrd: Yes....govn't trying to lull us into passivity so they can take control...even further StarTiming: AND THIS WILL TOUCH EVERYONE ALIVE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MAJOR IMPACT ON THE NODES DOES. Sky Route: Very much so Chiron...tremendous cut backs...and money is NOT in circulation ... StarTiming: EACH OF YOU WILL FEEL IT RIGHT THROUGH YOUR VENUS.. PLANET OF "WHAT YOU WANT OUT OF LIFE" nitemarye: HADES INVESTIGATES THE ROOT OF PROBLEM WITH PLUTO AND SATURNIT WILL BE A RESTRUCTING THAT IS TAKING PLACE StarTiming: SATURN WILL TELL YOU TO GET SERIOUS AND TO MAKE CHOICES CONSCIOUSLY ON THE GEMINI END. StarTiming: PLUTO WILL SAY .. TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE WILD SWEET SIDE OF LIFE TOO StarTiming: AND BETWEEN THEM THEY WILL MAKE YOU FEEL DIZZY WITH INNER CONFLICTS YOU NEVER WANTED TO FACE nitemarye: ITS ALMOST URANIAN IN HOW IT WILL FREE US nitemarye: IT MAY BE ONE THAT STANDS THE TEST OF THIS StarTiming: fOR THIS TO TO REALLY REALLY MAKE SENSE WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE HISTORY AFTER STATING OUR THEME. StarTiming: OUR THEME IS!!!! StarTiming: your HEART WILL CHANGE!!! nitemarye: SO ALL OF YOU HAVE FELT THE COMING OF SOMETHING FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF OR SO...CORRECT? StarTiming: YOU WILL NOT BE able TO ACT THE SAME StarTiming: NEITHER WILL ANYONE ELSE. nitemarye: AND EVERY MAJOR HIT OF THESE TWO HAS LEFT US WITH THE ...BUT"i WANT MY LIFE BACK" nitemarye: TYPE FEELINGS STAR WILL PRESENT A CHRONOLOGY StarTiming: BECAUSE OF THIS.... THE WHOLE WORLD WILL REORGANIZE AFTERWARDS metaltiger83: Yes, it seems to be a time for endings. nitemarye: THERE WAS ALSO THE FEELING THAT ..IT SHOULDA HAPPENED BUT DIDINT StarTiming: you will NOT GET YOUR OLD LIFE BACK Sky Route: Re endings...the Eclipse is adding to that as well. With Sa/No involved...you have ending StarTiming: WE ARE GONNA SHARE THE DATES FROM 1769 FORWARD.. REALLY QUICKLY.. YOU WILL BE BELIEVERS. StarTiming: | JAN 14, 1769 | 08:43 PM | SATURN 13CA54R | PLUTO 13CP54 | StarTiming: STARS.. YOU WILL HAVE THEM ALL IN A MOMENT OR TOO. StarTiming: THIS ONE PRECEEDED THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR HERE Tracey5200: The prelude to the American and French revolutions, nitemarye: WE WILL GO OVER THAT IN A MOMENT OHBY StarTiming: AND TIMED THE CHANGE OF HEART WHICH MADE THEM POSSIBLE AND UNAVOIDABLE metaltiger83: 1769 preceded the Revolution. StarTiming: AS MARYE POINTED OUT, THIS WAS IN CANCER AND CAPRICORN Admiralfrd: Home fires and Politics StarTiming: SO INVOLVED BOTH PATRIOTISM AND NEW IDEAS ABOUT WHO IS IN CHARGE.. WHAT JAC SAID Admiralfrd: we broke away from Mother England and took charge of ourselves JACQUIE144: :-) Sky Route: I don't see "heart", I see change of mindset...of willful intent. JACQUIE144: But the opposition was what set us on fire StarTiming: | FEB 12, 1802 | 11:15 AM | SATURN 04VI59R | PLUTO 04PI59 | Admiralfrd: Sky, Change of heart, new direction StarTiming: THIS ONE WAS DURING THE NEGOTIATIONS FOR THE LOUISIANA PURCHASE... Admiralfrd: And just prior to the War of 1812 StarTiming: VIRGO.. THE LAND AGAIN... AND PISCEAN DREAMS yyubicuryy4me: spain and france were at war... Admiralfrd: Manifest Destiny StarTiming: NO.. WAR WAS TOO FAR AWAY. nitemarye: AND MUTABLE SO CHANGE WAS SEEN AS NECESSARY StarTiming: MANIFEST DESTINY WAS THE NEXT ONE yyubicuryy4me: we got Louisiana purchase from France - who'd gotten it from Spain... Tracey5200: Pluto in Pisces = the country took the steps to grow from ocean to ocean StarTiming: | SEP 30, 1834 | 10:55 AM | SATURN 12LI55 | PLUTO 12AR55R | metaltiger83: I'm sure that the tax issue loomed large (Saturn). StarTiming: THIS ONE TIMED THE END OF THE INDIAN WARS IN THE EAST. ALSO YANKEE CLIPPERS AND COTTON GIN REVIVED SLAVERY AND BROUGHT ABOUT ACTION AND REACTION WE REGRET EVEN TO TODAY Admiralfrd: industrial revolution? nitemarye: | NOV 01, 1866 | 07:39 AM | 180 | 14SC17 | 14TA17R | metaltiger83: 1812; impressment of US sailors was a factor (hidden agenda-Pluto). yyubicuryy4me: "Reconstruction" (1866) StarTiming: THANKS MARYE.. TOLD YOU GUYS WE HAD MATCHING NOTES. nitemarye: WILL GET REST FOR YOU START YOUJUST TELL THEM THE TAKE ON IT StarTiming: THE RAILROADS MET ACROSS THE ENTIRE NATION. SUBJUGATION OF THE INDIANS IN THE WEST.. CLOSING OF THE FRONTIER nitemarye: | NOV 01, 1866 | 07:39 AM | 180 | 14SC17 | 14TA17R | JACQUIE144: Scorp/Taurus=Sensual into Stuff Tracey5200: Pluto in Taurus = development/discovery of our natural resources StarTiming: ANYWAY.. THE FIRST ONE IS ALWAYS SATURN. StarTiming: | DEC 06, 1898 | 01:08 PM | SATURN 14SA43 | PLUTO 14GE43R | yyubicuryy4me: thinking scorched earth of the south, and the intense hatred(s) that resulted from that reconstruction era... Admiralfrd: civil war StarTiming: YOU ARE SO RIGHT YY... THESE ARE NOT EASY.. CIVIL WAR WAS OVER AND WAS PART OF THE KARMA FROM THE 1834 SITUATION. Admiralfrd: War ended in 1865, so 1866 saw the carpetbaggers! metaltiger83: Yes, Jacq. Plunderers by any name. Sky Route: Sa/Pl also = endurance...which each of these events demands. StarTiming: BY 1898 WE HAD PLUTO (WITH NEPTUNE) IN GEMINI AND SATURN IN SAGITTARIUS. THE COMPETITIONS FOR HEAVIER THAN AIR INVENTIONS WERE CREATED LEADING TO THE WRIGHT BROTHERS.. Admiralfrd: The coming of the new century, heavy industrialization and the groundwork for WW I StarTiming: MASSIVE ELECTRIFICATION EFFORTS WERE UNDERWAY... Admiralfrd: flight linking worlds StarTiming: BEFORE '98 THE WORLD WAS POWERED BY ANIMALS.. ESPECIALLY THE HORSE Admiralfrd: When was the Crimean War, wasn't it around then? metaltiger83: Deep deception mixed with disciplined extroversion? nitemarye: | FEB 17, 1931 | 08:05 AM | 180 | 19CP04 | 19CA04R | StarTiming: MACHINE GUN HAD BEEN USED SECRETLY IN THE LAST OF THE INDIAN WARS, BUT NOT OPENLY UNTIL WW1 Admiralfrd: There were scandles surrounding the Crimean War since folks said the rich had started it to sell more gunpower for the von Krupps! yyubicuryy4me: machine gun, or gatling gun? Admiralfrd: gatling gun led to the machine gun metaltiger83: It made Tennyson rich, too. JACQUIE144: Civil War version was Gattling Gun, by end of Crimean War it was machine gun StarTiming: NOW AT LAST WE ARE INTO THE ERA OF REMEMBRANCE. YOU WERE NOT OLD ENOUGH, BUT YOU HAVE HEARD STORIES, SEEN MOVIES FROM THE '31 ERA. Admiralfrd: economic depression yyubicuryy4me: dust bowl, grapes of wrath... StarTiming: THIS ONE WAS ACROSS THE NODES OF PLUTO AND LIKE ALL OF THESE WHEN NODAL.. INVOLVED THE WHOLE PLANET. ChironsArtPlygrd: soul depression JACQUIE144: But we didn't learn Pluto's nodal lesson! ChironsArtPlygrd: economic depression = soul depression nitemarye: THE NODES ..ARE ABOUT THE WHOLE PLANET StarTiming: WHAT WE SEE THOUGH, MOST PLAINLY, BECAUSE "EVENTS" ARE ALWAYS HAPPENING IS THAT PEOPLE were DIFFERENT AFTER 31 StarTiming: AFTER 31 NO ONE WAS ACTING AT ALL LIKE THEY WERE IN THE ROARING TWENTIES. StarTiming: A COMPLETE REVOLUTION IN VALUES HAD TAKEN PLACE. Sky Route: I would want to say that the 1931 Sa/Pl also = Ma/Ha which is sinking markets... I don't think we can attribute the entire picture to Sa/Pl alone. And Ma/Ad which is great want..and scarcity nitemarye: NO BUT WE DO WANT YOU ALL TO SEE StarTiming: IN GERMANY THIS REVOLUTION WAS A DISASTER.. BECAUSE LOCAL CONDITIONS OF STARVATION MADE NO NEW LIVING STYLE POSSIBLE. yyubicuryy4me: when was Mein Kampf written? nitemarye: ALL THE VIBRATIONS ADD TO THIS. BUT THESE ARE ABOUT THE PLANETARY/EVOLUTION AS RELATES TO HUMANS StarTiming: WE BELIEVE THAT THE EVENTS ARE MAINLY FROM MOMENTUM Sky Route: Well, the TNPs were in dialogue long in advance of Sa/Pl which just brought the hard change. Mimi Wings99: People with Sat opp Pluto had had very hard lives..cruelly treated, raised in slums, underprivileged or caught in wars. StarTiming: WE FURTHER BELIEVE THAT THE SATURN PLUTO WORKS ALMOST ENTIRELY BY CHANGING HEARTS AND MINDS. ChironsArtPlygrd: Also the deep wounds this has caused 'family' Jup/Chiron opp Can/Cap StarTiming: MIMI, I AM THE RIGHT AGE TO KNOW MANY OF THE MAGNIFICENT PEOPLE BORN DURING 31 nitemarye: MIMI AND MANY OF THEM HAD SOULS THAT SANG AND DREAMED IN SPITE OF THE APPARRENT HARDSHIPS Sky Route: The depression also inbued many with incredible character. Some amazing people and things came out of the depression... JACQUIE144: They've turned 70 now and are retired, but great contributers to society, still StarTiming: RIGHT SKY.. nitemarye: YES JAQUIIE nitemarye: THAT IS WHAT WE WANT YOU ALL TO SEE Tracey5200: Interesting that many of the people who would have been victims during the holocaust could have been born during the two previous sat-pluto opps. StarTiming: YY.. 40S DID NOT FOLLOW DIRECTLY... WHAT FOLLOWED DIRECTLY WAS THE RATHER MORALISTIC AND SERIOUS 30S StarTiming: SKY.. HEARTS IS BEING USED FOR DEPTH CHANGES. Admiralfrd: so far, I'm seeing changes in values nitemarye: | DEC 13, 1931 | 12:33 PM | 180 | 21CP41 | 21CA41R | StarTiming: SO THOROUGH THAT ALL ACTIONS FROM THAT POINT ARE MODIFIED Sky Route: Well, semantics is important, especially with astrology. Otherwise, things get lumped together. nitemarye: DANG STARS IS THAT THE RIGHT ONE? StarTiming: NOT MEANING SWEET EMOTIONS NECESSARILY ALTHOUGHTHAT CAN HAPPEN. Admiralfrd: Again, Government put a chicken in the pot....Cap/Cancer Mimi Wings99: Well anyway these people turned out to be tough and able to handle almost anything metaltiger83: Yes,. There is a lot of healing; also, a lot of soul searching for very deep answers. StarTiming: | AUG 17, 1965 | 11:08 AM | SATURN 15PI19R | PLUTO 15VI19 | StarTiming: THIS IS THE MIDDLE ONE OF THREE Admiralfrd: vietnam, Admiralfrd: Race riots, Flower Children, Psychedelic drugs, Lime green VW Minibuses nitemarye: | FEB 20, 1966 | 04:12 AM | 180 | 17PI35 | 17VI35R | Admiralfrd: youth questioning the values of the people "in charge" yyubicuryy4me: beatles..."all ya need is love" StarTiming: YOU THINK PLUTO WAS ABOUT CLERKS AND LABOR OVER THERE IN VIRGO? metaltiger83: Lots of hidden agendas, too, Jacq. JFK's demise. StarTiming: NO WAY! URANUS WAS WITH IT.. AND THEY BOTH WERE LINED UP WITH THE MICROWAVE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE JACQUIE144: We also had the first heart transplants during that oppositioon, And the Space Program, Hippies, Counter culture StarTiming: SO THIS ONE BROUGHT IN SOME HUGE COSMIC ENERGIES. Mimi Wings99: Condeming authority AVADHU: Age of aquarius.. at least the knowledge that it was to be StarTiming: UNLIKE THE OTHERS IN OUR LIST, THIS ONE WAS NOT DIGESTED BY THE CIVILIZATION.. QUITE THE REVERSE. Sky Route: 2/66 Ma/Ur = Sa/Pl...that was very complex...and war is illustrated by it connectionto Aries Pt. StarTiming: POL POT KILLED MILLIONS TRYING TO WIPE OUT THE MODERN WITH THESE NEW ENERGIES. Sky Route: Aside from Nodal involvement....90 degree dial illustrates clearly the connection to the "world" thru Aries Pt. StarTiming: IN THIS COUNTRY THE "ESTABLISHMENT" WAS HORRIFIED THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME IN CENTURIES CIVILIIANS HAD MANAGED TO STOP A WAR Admiralfrd: cut off the $$ made by war too StarTiming: URGENT AND LONG TERM PLANS WERE PUT INTO PLACE TO REMILITARIZE THE NATION. Admiralfrd: Kent State yyubicuryy4me: take care, mimi StarTiming: IT WAS CONSIDERED TO BE POSSIBLE IN A LONG GENERATION. Sky Route: Ma/Ur = Sa/Pl = Kent State metaltiger83: Our national consciousness was pushed to its limit. Sky Route: Well, Kennedy's death did that! metaltiger83: Yes, Sky. And the subsequent cover-up is still being denied. AVADHU: our consciousness took on a new dememinson then StarTiming: EVEN TODAY, COLLEGE TEXTBOOKS ARE BEING SOLD FOR THE "SOCIAL SCIENCES" WHICH BLAME EVERY ILL YOU CAN IMAGINE ON THE 50S nitemarye: SO YOU SEE WE COME TO THE LATEST StarTiming: SORRY.. THE 60S.. THE "OBEDIANT 50S" ARE MUCH ADMIRED BY THOSE WHO NEVER LIVED THROUGH THEM IN CONTRAST. nitemarye: | AUG 05, 2001 | 04:56 PM | 180 | 12GE37 | 12SA37R | Admiralfrd: yes... we the baby boomers... lost our innocence... and disillusionment nitemarye: ADDY, BUT WE WON ALOT TOO StarTiming: LETS DO ALL THREE MARYE. nitemarye: | NOV 02, 2001 | 06:11 AM | 180 | 13GE49R | 13SA49 | StarTiming: | NOV 02, 2001 | 06:11 AM | SATURN 13GE49R | PLUTO 13SA49 | nitemarye: | MAY 26, 2002 | 02:29 AM | 180 | 16GE36 | 16SA36R | Sky Route: The nation never really got on its feet or reinvented itself after the assassinatin of Kennedy or Viet Nam. That has been one of America's gifts...hope we find it again. StarTiming: THE FIRST OF THESE WAS ALIGNED WITH THE GREAT ATTRACTOR.. ANOTHER COSMIC THINGEE TOO BIG TO DIGEST.. AND WE DIDN'T. StarTiming: WTC CAME AND WE COULDN'T DIGEST ANYTHING.. WANTED OUR WORLD BACK AND COULDNT GET IT. Admiralfrd: actually, we were living in a cocoon before WTC StarTiming: SECOND OF THESE WAS ACROSS THE NODES OF URANUS... RULING HIGH TECHNOLOGY, INVENTION, ASTROLOGY.. ALL OF WHICH ARE UNDERGOING PURIFICATION AND CHANGE.. NOT NECESSARILY FOR THE BETTER BUT CUTTING DEEP. Sky Route: Actually, we have been on a consumer "bender" since the 50's…Living out any difficulties by buying one more "thing". metaltiger83: A strategic error on a certain Middle East political faction's part.. nitemarye: AND STILL HUGE EVENTS HAPPENED BUT NOTHING SEEMED TO CHANGE StarTiming: AGAIN.. DIGESTIBLE.. MAYBE .. BY CERTAIN SECTORS OF THE POPULATION.. BUT A LITTLE CLOSER TO HUMAN SO WE BEGAN TO RECOGNIZE NEW STUFF IN OUR OWN LIVES... metaltiger83: Overreaction is not a good thing, Marye. radiocblue: and where are the Uranus nodes? StarTiming: MANY OF YOU BEGAN TO LOOK AT "WHAT I WANT TO DO BEFORE I DIE" SINCE URANUS IS THE PLANET OF THE LIFE STORY AS A WHOLE. ChironsArtPlygrd: The Choice of Neptune/Spirit...is all ours...we can drug it...or we can live in spirit in the body and eminate It… that's the wake up call. Neptune comes in many guises metaltiger83: Yes, Chirons. All have undergone reflection into themselves. StarTiming: URANUS NODES ARE 14 GEMINI - NORTH - THE SATURN SIDE StarTiming: AND 14 SAGITARIUS - SOUTH - THE PLUTO SIDE nitemarye: THIS TIME THESE TWO ARE GOING TO MAKE PERSONAL ADJUSTMENTS TO EACH OF US JACQUIE144: Those Nodes are going to be part of this, even though they're not exact because Uranus is going to be moving out of Aquarius StarTiming: YES.. THAT'S THE DEAL AND WHY WE ARE DOING THIS CHAT. StarTiming: LAST OPPOSITION IS ACROSS THE NODES OF VENUS.. CUTE LITTLE VENUS WHO SNUGGLES BETWEEN US? nitemarye: OK...ARE YOU ALL ABLE TO GET A HINT OF THE MOMENT WE ARE IN ChironsArtPlygrd: oh yes indeedy....potent stuff here...powerful... time to truly live with intent.... StarTiming: WE ARE SAYING THAT AFTER MAY NO ONE YOU DEAL WITH WILL BE LIKE THEY WERE BEFORE. StarTiming: DIVORCES WILL BE CANCELLED AND FORMERLY HAPPY MARRAIAGES WILL GO SOUR ChironsArtPlygrd: Oh yes Route...so very true..and so succinctly put :-) StarTiming: WHAT BUSINESSES PROSPER WILL CHANGE. StarTiming: FASHIONS WILL NOT BE THE SAME. nitemarye: THERE ARE MANY ADDED LAYERS TO ALL THIS WITH EVERY SORT OF ASTROLOGICAL METAPHYSICAL RELIGIOUS EVOLUTIONARY IMPACT... BEING SHAKEN UP AND LOOSED IF NOT TRUE StarTiming: HOW WE TREAT OUR CHILDREN.. ALL KINDS OF MATTERS.. AND SINCE EACH WILL FEEL IT THROUGH VENUS... nitemarye: WE ARE LUCKY ACTUALLY THAT IT IS VENUS AVADHU: we will have a better grip on value of what is real StarTiming: AND VENUS IS IN EVERY CONDITION IMAGINABLE FOR INDIVIDUALS, IT WILL BE VERY INDIVIDUAL nitemarye: ALL OF US HAVE KNOWN WE SHOULD DO BE MORE THIS TIME ITS PUT UP OR SHUT UP yyubicuryy4me: I think that's one result of WTC, addy nitemarye: YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT YOUR VENUS/HEART TELLS YOU AND ACT UPON IT AVADHU: IT is time to realize that we can make a difference one at a time StarTiming: NOW THERE MAY BE SOME "EVENTS".. YOU ALL KNOW WHAT PEOPLE ARE PREDICTING. Tracey5200: A question for you guys... since this is the venus nodes we are talking about, would this indicate a restructuring of the economic basis of our lives on a national/global level? nitemarye: YES..EARTHQUAKES/BOMBS/GERMS ET AL THESE COULD HAPPEN yyubicuryy4me: everything from the "rapture" to the brown shirts are coming... StarTiming: OUR POINT IS THAT AFTER MAY WHAT EVENTS ARE POSSIBLE WILL CHANGE.. EVEN THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF ARMIES WILL HAVE NEW ATTITUDES nitemarye: IT ISNT JUST us ITS aLL oF us StarTiming: DURING MAY MOMENTUM WILL LIKELY HAVE ITS WAY AND WHATEVER EVENTS COME WILL SIMPLY ADD TO THE PRESSURES... HELPING US BECOME NEW PEOPLE Sky Route: Reality check time...there is what we "wish" and what we "do"... The two are never quite connected by the masses. yyubicuryy4me: here's the rub...*what* kind of "new people" will we become...? ChironsArtPlygrd: Yes Marye...it's the web we are weaving....the light we are all spreading..by being aware... RanchWomanZ: Question: what if one is making BIG changes in their lives? during the month of May StarTiming: JAC.. WE ARE NOT GOING TO PREDICT WAR AND PEACE NOR WHO WILL DIE OUT OR BE BORN. nitemarye: INDIA PAKISTAN HAVE NUCLEAR AND WITH THE ASTEROIDS POINTING TO HIDDEN AGENDAS THERE IS SOMETHING NOT KNOWN BY THE REST OF US StarTiming: NOR ARE WE SUGGESTING YOU COP AN ATTITUDE OF PEACE AND LIGHT nitemarye: NOPE Sky Route: Marye, that has been happening forever.....I have clients from Pakistan..they live with that all the time. We, Americans, who have lived in a foxhole with regard to the rest of the world..have no clue. nitemarye: ITS THE CAPS THAT MAKE IT SEEM LIKE IM SHOUTING I WAS JUST POINTING OUT THAT ALL OF THE STUFF IS IN PLACE AND HASNT BEEN TAKEN CARE OF. JUST LIKE MY REDWOODS..THE RAINFORESTS ITS ALL OF A PIECE ChironsArtPlygrd: Yes...my dad has lived on the soils of the Middle East...and so have I.... they live with it on a daily basis they don't have the luxury...of being in peace... Admiralfrd: Sky... I started really interacting with people from other countries back during 1990 nitemarye: NOW i HAVENT INTERJECTED TOO MUCH ON THE TNP'S AND THE ASTEROIDS DURING THIS RanchWomanZ: Question: what if one is making BIG life changes during the month of May...will these carry through? nitemarye: AND TO ME THE ASTEROIDS ARE THE THINGS THAT CAN HELP US PERSONALLY PUT THE PIECES IN THE PUZZLE Sky Route: Change is slow process...you don't just flip a switch! nitemarye: BUT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO GIVE YOU A PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN STUDYING HERE WITH THE OPPOSITONS metaltiger83: Must be the aftermath of 911; increased border security?? nitemarye: SKY WE THINK FROM WHAT WE HAVE BEEN GOING THAT IT QUITE POSSIBLY WILL BE THE TURNING OF THE DIMMER SWITCH, NOT AS GRADUAL AS YOU THINK AND THIS SHOULD BE NO SURPRISE BECAUSE THE WORLD WE OPERATE IN HAS DONE THAT 10 YEARS AGO, WAS VERY DIFFERENT FROM 20 YEARS AGO ChironsArtPlygrd: that's just it Marye...things seem to be speeding up JACQUIE144: Marye, it took upwards of three to five years for things to manifest after each of the other oppositions the changes are so rapid it's hard to keep up even... yyubicuryy4me: 20 years ago - "feel good 80s" - conspicuous consumerism...etc ChironsArtPlygrd: My mom got lost in it all...being a healer/spiritualist type...she doesn't do machines very well StarTiming: MARYE.. I'VE GOT THE EPHEMERIS FOR MAY OPEN IN THE BACKGROUND... nitemarye: May 26, 2002.. the alignment is across the nodes of Venus.. and this time Saturn is weak by distance, being substantially behind the solar group. StarTiming: AM STARTING AT TOMORROW? We discover what we believe from what we do..(Fri) 5/ 3/2002 10:57pm Mars (Gem) Con (Gem) Saturn StarTiming: BY TOMORROW EVENING SOME WILL BE VIOLENTLY ANNOUNCING THEIR BELIEFS BY WHAT THEY DO. MY FERVENT HOPE IS SMALL SCALE AND FAR AWAY BUT CANNOT PROMISE THAT. StarTiming: And compare that with our ideals..(Sat) 5/ 4/2002 11:28am Venus (Gem) Tri (Aqu) Neptune. IF THINGS CAN BE SMOOTHED OVER THEY WILL BE THE NEXT DAY... StarTiming: Perhaps we restructure..(Tue) 5/ 7/2002 5:10am Venus (Gem) Con (Gem) Saturn AVADHU: so this alignment is showing us all (the world) a new way of being nitemarye: CUPIDO IS IN THE MIX ALSO SO SOME OF THAT WILL BE FAMILY WITH POISIDON RELIGIOUS PHILOSOPHICAL/ WITH HADES DESTRUCTION.. StarTiming: OUCH StarTiming: We mouth off and get a reaction..(Wed) 5/ 8/2002 3:14pm Mars (Gem) Opp [Sag] Pluto. THIS IS MARS OPPOSITE PLUTO.. SO IF THERE IS A VIOLENT REACTION TO MARS WITH SATURN.. IT WILL BE THE 8TH. StarTiming: THESE ARE WORLD TIMES BY THE WAY.. WEDNESDAY... TUESDAY EVENING OUR TIME. StarTiming: DAY OF WEEK IS SHOWING. StarTiming: We should have "ears to hear" today.(Thu) 5/ 9/2002 11:16am Venus (Gem) Opp [Sag] Pluto StarTiming: VENUS OPPOSITE PLUTO IS EASIER THAN MARS OPPOSITE PLUTO, OR SO WE HOPE. CAN BE TOUGH FOR WOMEN ACCORDING TO OLD RULES. StarTiming: Words from the heart are possible since this is in Gemini..(Fri) 5/10/2002 12:55pm Venus (Gem) Con (Gem) Mars StarTiming: IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A PROPOSAL OF MARRAIGE, THE TENTH MIGHT BE THE DAY JACQUIE144: Mars and Pluto are some sort of sexual connotation....even venereal metaltiger83: Could be an agressive approach to introspection, Jacq. Admiralfrd: Mars opp Pluto seems stronger energy to me then Venus opp Pluto InveterateSoul: Wed is a triple with Mars conjunct venus exact and them both in opposition exact plus conjunct Saturn...triple conjunction StarTiming: We begin to know what our feelings mean..(Sat) 5/11/2002 11:37am Venus (Gem) Con [Gem] Node StarTiming: THIS IS THE NODE OF THE MOON BY THE WAY THERE IS AN AMAZING SEQUENCE IN THESE ASPECTS... A PATH OF UTTER TRANSFORMATION nitemarye: YES STRUCTURED ACTION StarTiming: The new moon, and new actions follow the new meanings(Sun) 5/12/2002 3:44am Sun (Tau) Con (Tau) Moon (New Moon)(Sun) 5/12/2002 4:37am Mars (Gem) Con [Gem] Node InveterateSoul: leading to a full moon/eclipse JACQUIE144: What degree New Moon? StarTiming: NOW MOST OF THE PROPHECIES OF "AWFUL EVENTS" ARE CENTERED ON THE 15TH. IF THEY ARE USING ASTROLOGY THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE RULE OF 3 DAYS AFTER THE NEW MOON. nitemarye: AND IN ALL OF THIS gEMINI....wE HAVE THE TNP kRONOS FOR TIMING/BIG BUSSINESS/GOVERNMENTS/CORPORATIO NS StarTiming: 22 TAURUS.. THAT'S WHY THE EPHEMERIS IS OPEN StarTiming: We connect with what is far or strange, and it probably feels right..(Mon) 5/13/2002 5:10am Neptune [Aqu] S/R(Mon) 5/13/2002 2:49pm Moon (Gem) Con (Gem) Mercury(Mon) 5/13/2002 4:59pm Moon (Gem) Tri [Aqu] Neptune StarTiming: THATS MOON AND MERCURY TRINE NEPPY... VISIONARY nitemarye: NOT DOOMED JACQUIE BUT DEFINATELY IN FOR A RIDE StarTiming: A serious deep day with more meaning than we expect..(Tue) 5/14/2002 12:46am Moon (Gem) Con (Gem) Saturn(Tue) 5/14/2002 4:07am Moon (Gem) Opp [Sag] Pluto(Tue) 5/14/2002 8:36am Moon (Gem) Con [Gem] Node AND THE SAME DAY StarTiming: (Tue) 5/14/2002 11:41am Moon (Gem) Con (Gem) Mars(Tue) 5/14/2002 4:04pm Moon (Gem) Con (Gem) Venus(Tue) 5/14/2002 10:41pm Moon (Gem) Tri (Aqu) Pallas(Wed) 5/15/2002 2:08am Moon (Gem) Tri (Aqu) Uranus nitemarye: DO YOU SEE THOSE YOU GUYS, TEHEE THIS HAPPENS DURING MY FINALS TOO StarTiming: SO THE 14TH THE MOON RUNS THROUGH THE GEMINI SIDE AND CLEARS OUR MINDS.. WE PROLLY WON'T ENJOY IT MUCH. StarTiming: We begin thinking it all over from a new level of living..(Wed) 5/15/2002 11:49am Mercury [Gem] S/R(Wed) 5/15/2002 8:17pm Moon (Can) Opp [Cap] Chiron StarTiming: NEW LEVEL IS THE CHIRON INFLUENCE StarTiming: Family warmth expands..(Thu) 5/16/2002 5:26am Moon (Can) Con (Can) JupiterClarity of thought is beautiful..(Fri) 5/17/2002 11:43pm Venus (Gem) Tri (Aqu) Pallas StarTiming: YOU SEE -- ITS NOT ALL BAD. StarTiming: AT THE DARKEST WE GET GREAT WARMTH FROM JUPITER IN CANCER nitemarye: ITS ACTUALLY GOOD!! WILL BE HARD ON MANY BUT IS LIKE A GREAT REBIRTH ChironsArtPlygrd: IT's been very healing for my family so far...didn't say it hasn't been painful..with rivers of tears ;> but..the joy...wow...and the love..and heart felt feelings going on StarTiming: It would take a heroine to live up to our ideals, but we are that heroine..(Sat) 5/18/2002 6:11am Moon (Leo) Opp [Aqu] Neptune StarTiming: It would take a hero to plunge to the depths of meaning, but we are that hero..(Sat) 5/18/2002 4:17pm Moon (Leo) Tri [Sag] Pluto nitemarye: DONT GROAN i KNOW i LIKE THAT ANALOGY. THE TRICK IS TO KNOW WHAT AND WHO YOU ARE, MOST OF US HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT ALREADY StarTiming: FINDING OUR INNER HERO OR HEROINE IS A GOOD THING StarTiming: Beauty shines and meaning rules... yet everything is about to change..(Sun) 5/19/2002 5:26am Venus (Gem) Tri (Aqu) Uranus(Sun) 5/19/2002 12:53pm Moon (Leo) Opp (Aqu) Uranus Admiralfrd: each of us are a lot stronger than we think we are.. the tests and lessons of time proves that StarTiming: Details matter.. intensely and with consequences..(Mon) 5/20/2002 5:13am Moon (Vir) Tri [Cap] Chiron(Mon) 5/20/2002 5:56pm Moon (Vir) Squ (Gem) Saturn nitemarye: HEARTFELT DEEP BELIEF IS THE KEY metaltiger83: Yes, Marye. 'my mind's been goin' through them changes'. StarTiming: MORE OF THE SAME DAY..(Mon) 5/20/2002 7:14pm Moon (Vir) Squ [Sag] Pluto(Mon) 5/20/2002 10:55pm Moon (Vir) Squ [Gem] Node StarTiming: HERE IS MOON RUNNING THROUGH VIRGO.. EVERY DREAM FROM 65 IS REMEMBERED radiocblue: i always watch moon/pluto transits StarTiming: We are new people by now and ready to act differently..(Tue) 5/21/2002 9:53am Moon (Vir) Squ (Gem) Mars(Tue) 5/21/2002 6:38pm Sun (Gem) Tri (Lib) Moon(Tue) 5/21/2002 8:26pm Moon (Lib) Squ (Can) Venus StarTiming: Today and tomorrow are ideal for social agreements, for not onlywe ourselves are renewed -- so are others.(Wed) 5/22/2002 7:01am Moon (Lib) Tri [Gem] Mercury(Wed) 5/22/2002 11:22am Moon (Lib) Tri [Aqu] Neptune Admiralfrd: "What ever doesn't kill me, makes me stronger." nitemarye: FROM CHAOS..ORDER WILL GIVE US TIME StarTiming: AND FOR THE SAME DATE StarTiming: (Wed) 5/22/2002 8:00pm Moon (Lib) Tri (Gem) Saturn(Wed) 5/22/2002 8:46pm Moon (Lib) Sex [Sag] Pluto StarTiming: (Thu) 5/23/2002 12:17am Moon (Lib) Tri [Gem] Node(Thu) 5/23/2002 1:37pm Moon (Lib) Tri (Gem) Mars(Thu) 5/23/2002 4:39pm Moon (Lib) Tri (Aqu) Uranus(Fri) 5/24/2002 2:09am Moon (Sco) Tri (Can) Venus StarTiming: THE ROLL OF TRINES CONTINUED THROUGH THE 23RD. StarTiming: BY THIS TIME, HOPEFULLY, YOUR ADVERSARIES WILL ALSO HAVE FOUND THEIR INNER WISDOM StarTiming: AND RIGHT BEFORE THE FULL MOON... StarTiming: Here is Saturn (seriousness and integrity) and Pluto (depth)on the nodes of Venus. In the deepest way, we know what we want out of life!(Sat) 5/25/2002 7:45pm Saturn (Gem) Opp [Sag] Pluto StarTiming: YOU WILL HAVE MADE IT THROUGH THE OPPOSITION... metaltiger83: It has been a great experience; see you again. Good night everyone. nitemarye: THERE ARE MANY COSMIC INFLUENCES ABOUNDING NOW THAT WE HAVE NOT THE TIME IN THIS CHAT THAT POINT TO WONDER AND ENLIGHTENMENT nitemarye: WANT YOU ALL TO REMEMBER THAT THIS IS NOT DOOM JUST INESCAPEABLE CHANGE StarTiming: Thus we enter THIS very active full moon well prepared todo something remarkable before the opportunity disappears.(Sun) 5/26/2002 4:51am Sun (Gem) Opp (Sag) Moon (Full Moon) StarTiming: (Sun) 5/26/2002 6:51am Moon (Sag) Opp [Gem] Mercury(Sun) 5/26/2002 9:30am Mars (Gem) Tri (Aqu) Uranus StarTiming: What could be done with this pattern is done.. we harvest the results in June.. StarsPaths: change is ok...sometimes a good thing Admiralfrd: Moon in Sag will be less emotional, more philosophical IIngeborg: need lots of enlightenment StarTiming: Later as June ends and turns into July, the nodes of the moon (enduring meaning) will = the nodes of Venus (the desire nature, purified by Saturn and Pluto). StarTiming: THERE IS OUR PREPARED MATERIAL... nitemarye: NOW SOME OF THE ISSUES OF A PERSONAL NATURE ARE GOING TO BE SURROUNDING THE CUPIDO5*GEMRX LOTS WILL BE DISCUSSED AND ACTED UPON... nitemarye: IF THESE ARE IN YOUR CHART THESE FAMILY MATTERS DONT REACT..BUT THINK AND ACT FROM YOUR VENUS PLACEMENTS ChironsArtPlygrd: Oh wow...really....Cupido is 5 Gem...is that the TNP or the roid? StarsPaths: <gemini venus..lol Admiralfrd: 5 Gem is my Mars conj Uranus nitemarye: THERE ARE HADES ISSUES...THAT RELATE AND KRONOS..SO TIMING AND SEEING THINGS THAT DISGUST YOU WILL BE IN YOUR MINDS ON YOUR SOULS AND WHEN THEY ARE YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEM AGAIN FROM A VENUS POINT OF VIEW StarsPaths: this whole thing is bouncing on my gem pileup StarsPaths: <merc 17 gem nitemarye: THERE IS ONE MORE: TANTALUS SOMETHING JUST OUT OF REACH RIGHT NOW IT IS AT 12 GEM 14 KindaQwiet: uranus 7 gem moon 20gem sat 23 gem StarsPaths: <asc is 23 gem, venus 24gem StarsPaths: alot of us with some big gem energy going on yyubicuryy4me: something that "tantalizes" ya... ChironsArtPlygrd: ty Admiralfrd: thanks marye Moiradeva: so much is clustered in my fourth house ChironsArtPlygrd: oh yes...huge Gem stuff going on KindaQwiet: gem in my 4th ChironsArtPlygrd: all opping my Sun as they go by Admiralfrd: that will aspect my Venus, Pluto, Neptune & Juno... ChironsArtPlygrd: and plowing over John's Moon nitemarye: SO AGAIN WITH THE KRONOS TIMING AND CUPIDO RX(FAMILY) ISSUES OF THAT NATURE WILL SEEM TO BE OUT OF REACH, YOU MIGHT 'BITE YOUR TONGUE', BUT NOW IS THE TIME OR RATHER AROUND THE 10TH IS THE TIME WHEN THAT WONT BE POSSIBLE. SO THINK ON THAT Admiralfrd: I would think speaking from your heart, honestly nitemarye: AND IF THERE ARE ISSUES THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED JUST DO IT.. nitemarye: CHIRONS IF THE WORDS AREN'T SPOKEN BY THE TENTH nitemarye: THEY WILL COME OUT IN HADES FASHION. WHICH IS WHAT IM TRYING TO SAY StarTiming: JJ.. COMPASSION IS A CLUE.. SO IS PATIENCE IN THE OVERALL PICTURE. EVEN BAD BEHAVIOR, OURS AND OTHERS, WILL FEED THE PROCESS Admiralfrd: We have to speak honestly then listen carefully too StarTiming: BUT CONSIDER THAT YOUR OPPOSITE NUMBER... THE ONE WHO SEEMS SO SET AGAINST YOU.. IS GOING THROUGH THINGS JUST AS FIERCELY AS YOU... nitemarye: I AM DOING URANUS TRINE URANUS JAQ AND URANUS SEXTILE SUN/VENUS, SO I HAD TO DO THIS! nitemarye: GOOD POINT START StarTiming: ALLOW FOR A CHANGE OF HEART IN OTHERS.. IN ANY DIRECTION WHATSOEVER nitemarye: AND DONT BE SURPRSIED AT THEIR CHANGE IN HEART StarTiming: GIVEN THAT EVERYONE ALIVE WILL BE TOUCHED... AND SOME ARE IN SOME PRETTY BAD PLACES.. A FEW OF THOSE CHANGES CAN BE FOR THE WORSE. BUT OVERALL, WE ARE VERY OPTOMISTIC nitemarye: SOME WILL NOT WANT TO MOVE AT ALL LET ALONE GO FORWARD. MOST WILL THOUGH**88888 nitemarye: WE DO SEE A LOT OF POSITIVE CHANGES..THAT CANNOT BE EVEN TOUCHED ON IN THIS LIMITED TIME/SPACE StarTiming: WE DIDN'T COME TO SCARE YOU.. JUST THE REVERSE.ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU ARE NOT OFF THE HOOK UNTIL YOU ARE NEW INSIDE nitemarye: WELL PUT START!!!! StarTiming: YOU ARE WELCOME nitemarye: WELL THE TIME IS AT HAND...FOR THIS ALL TO BEGIN nitemarye: WHAT SAY YOU StarT? StarTiming: AND WE BELIEVE YOU WILL LIVE IN A BETTER WORLD AFTER MAY.. .WE TRULY HOPE SO nitemarye: **************888888888888THANK YOU START..FOR WORKING WITH ME I AM HONORED. AND ALL OF YOU FOR CARING nitemarye: **********8888888888 StarTiming: MUTUAL MARYE StarTiming: MARYE AND I MIGHT TALK ABOUT THE FUN SECOND HALF OF 2002 SOME DAY..
