Astrologer's Chat

StarTiming: Are you open to discuss some timing questions? Might or might not be useful in general. I would do this on ACT if it was functional for me, but it is not available... so I am pestering you.

Nitemarye: Pester away;-)* I am just yakking at the moment

StarTiming: #1. Would be about whether the Saturn/Pluto opposition of November 2, being across the Helio nodes of Uranus is of special timing significance for all things astrological (and perhaps for all things computer/function)?

Nitemarye: OH Yes!!!

Nitemarye: I just sent a missive out to the AUrania board about that

StarTiming: #2. Conceptually, would we take the WHOLE pattern as being pictorially descriptive of the process most likely to be operating even now... which would be as follows...

StarTiming: #3a... Saturn at N.Uranus in Gemini would look at SERIOUS astrology afresh as a serious function within the culture/civilization.

StarTiming: and #3b... Pluto at S.Uranus (which I take to qualify and socialize competent Uranian processes) would bring a world audience but also fiercely shaping opposition, which would result...

StarTiming: #4. In a genuine professionalization of much of what we do... but only those parts which pass the Saturn/Pluto pressure test.

StarTiming: #5. This would be similar to the response to psychology as it began to be taken seriously... complete with serious opposition from churches which thought psychology to improper muddy up the definition of SIN.

StarTiming: I send missives out. They disappear.

StarTiming: Apparently I do NOT get to discuss this publicly.

Nitemarye: and that is weird

StarTiming: I would very much like to, since it could well describe the next stages of my own work and by extension how I get to live my life in the near future.

StarTiming: Human proposes -- universe disposes.

Nitemarye: you know Sally would post you a column if that would help

Nitemarye: at least they would get posted till you get set

StarTiming: Yes, I suppose she would. However I feel that the process would apply narrowly to astrologers as compared to the array of readings she sponsors. And at the same time touch parts of the culture that float beyond the interests of anyone who shows there.

Nitemarye: that makes total sense ..

Nitemarye: I was only thinking of getting it out there

StarTiming: I'm getting at that I think it would be a poor fit.

Nitemarye: k

Nitemarye: I understand...really

StarTiming: It's perfectly fine for it not to be out there.

Nitemarye: ;-)*

StarTiming: What do YOU think of my take? Or am I being too abstract or sudden.

Nitemarye: I Agree with it totally..

Nitemarye: and think its necessary

Nitemarye: to get that message circulating

StarTiming: And what would be the benefits to others?

Nitemarye: Helping to refocus the Neptune influence

Nitemarye: concentrating on the Saturn/Pluto and keeping them alert for the changes that

Nitemarye: are inevitable

StarTiming: I am thinking that the pressures may fall primarily on the SERIOUS of whom there are not that many.

Nitemarye: I think there are more out there that are serious than is known

StarTiming: You are correct. Thank you.

StarTiming: Do you think they will receive the pressures even if not in the public eye?

Nitemarye: yes

StarTiming: I have done two Horaries about this. Serious and constructive... what life is all about, to Capricorn anyway.

StarTiming: Virtually NO influence from Venus or Jupiter .. the fun planets.

Nitemarye: I think the serious of before...the Uranian event were stuck in quagmires of their own doctrines

Nitemarye: and fears

Nitemarye: you are seeing some of the effect of that with the ACT group

Nitemarye: fear in a different guise

StarTiming: I hear this in outrage from close acquaintances... "I want my life back!"

StarTiming: "Why isn't this over!"

Nitemarye: yup

StarTiming: But I think those lives are not coming back... and this may be a classic "good thing"

Nitemarye: Again I do too!

StarTiming: I'm NOW looking back at the way we saw Jupiter/Saturn before the current era opened. Classically these new cycles will include elements from major conjunctions which took place BEFORE but which had little effect on the structure of civilization as we would expect.

StarTiming: Much of the Uranus/Neptune of '93 is only being incorporated now... or more accurately may still be to come.

Nitemarye: yes

StarTiming: It's possible that Jupiter and Saturn... in the new cycle from May 28 2000... move forward like the hands of a clock. And that Jupiter then Saturn took up their unfinished Plutonian business when each opposed Pluto in turn.

Nitemarye: hmmm, yes that sounds right it also accounts for all that pushme/pullyou of 99 and 2000

StarTiming: This will take some checking back... to see if pattern holds in retrospect.

Nitemarye: bet it does

StarTiming: Note that even MATERIAL changes which SHOULD have changed world civilization almost instantly were "on hold".... in 1998... both India and Pakistan got the bomb. This SHOULD have changed the attitude of both UN and US in their direction... nothing.

Nitemarye: wow I forgot that

StarTiming: That was the year Galactic node went to Capricorn... should have been a result that material powers became more decentralized and integrative... nothing much, although the WAY we moved into Yugoslavia suggested the future.

Nitemarye: It has been weird seeing major shifts occur and then life goes on

StarTiming: As though NOTHING WHATSOEVER had happened.

Nitemarye: yah!

StarTiming: But NOW.. with the Saturn timer opposing Pluto, it all comes home to change our lives top to bottom.

StarTiming: So we are absorbing it all... each of us... personally.

StarTiming: And its affecting work and travel and social life too.

Nitemarye: yah but its like that song

StarTiming: Look... this is incomplete... but I have a suggestion. What if each of us posts this conversation any-which-where? What song?

StarTiming: You have MY permission if I have yours... what song?

Nitemarye: you got it I will do that...I am trying to think of the name just a sec

Nitemarye: you have mine

StarTiming: All right. Please share this anywhere. It would be NICE to do a better work-up, but its no time at all until November 2. Best people be considering it now.

Nitemarye: This is a good start I think

StarTiming: And... btw... I think the LAST of the oppositions will be VERY DIFFERENT since that one will cross the Helio nodes of VENUS, not Uranus.

Nitemarye: ooooooo I hadn’t thought of that I will have to look at it

Nitemarye: I hope so!

StarTiming: Whatever is to come of the middle opposition might be separate and almost disconnected from the last one.

Nitemarye: hmmm

StarTiming: (If I remember an email newsletter from Philip Sedgwick correctly, the first one in August was connected with STELLAR stuff... a black hole, etc.

Nitemarye: K and also the galactic Core...but my mind is fuzzy on that

StarTiming: So this is a tentative description of what kind of energy support is AVAILABLE... and what will NOT be supported for a while.

Nitemarye: so it would possibly just be swallowed in the stuff of the cosmos?

Nitemarye: there are also the CMEs events of the last 6mos

Nitemarye: all hitting the earth...

StarTiming: Think that was the Great Attractor? Core is later in the sign.

CME... tell me again what that means.

Nitemarye: Coronal Mass Ejections

Nitemarye: I think you are right about the Great Attractor...

StarTiming: I really don't know what to make of the CME's except that I do feel them.

StarTiming: Energy bursts that either enhance or disrupt what I am trying to do... not orderly for me at least.

Nitemarye: just the fact that there are so many in conjunction with the rest and that the effects are noticeable...

Nitemarye: it just adds to the puzzle but explains some excess energy

StarTiming: My take for a long time is that astrology is about that small part of the future which IS predictable. Do CME's fall into that group? ... thinking... possibly.

Nitemarye: yup possibly there isn’t enough hard data to back me up on it but boy do I see a correlation

StarTiming: I do recall economics textbooks which listed solar outbursts as one of the repeating factors which modified economic activity. Technically that is astrology I suppose. They used graphs to predict them.. were sort of right. Probably as right as we are.

StarTiming: I've promised to share this already with another astrologer... I’m eager for light from other minds.

Nitemarye: I will!! such fun!